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So you just watched Wall-E, forgot about it in a night and then felt profound for coming up with that concept? Protip: There's like a million billion zillion gajillion stories about that kind of shit already.

>>30470 The Wall-E people just sit around watching TV. There are no social games and no exploration of social hierarchy. >A few things touch on that theme but nothing really covers it properly. You must learn to read threads properly before commenting.

>>30472 You must learn to read more books before making such a dumb thread.

The thing about visions of the future is they usually say something about the views of the writer and the anxieties of wider society. In this case I question whether the hierarchies of work and the division of labour are really as universal to the human condition as you think given most of human history hasn't had formal corporate or job prestige and it's not our default condition. In my mind I see a future without work as more akin to university, volunteering or retirement. We'll have diverse experiences and people coalescing around interests, hobbies and social activities where unlike work if something is bad then they can just leave - if you have to run a voluntary group then you quickly learn that corporate sticks don't work because if you try to shout at someone to make them deliver then you'll just end up doing everything alone. Equally there's a huge gender divide on this issue with men being the one's who attach the most of their identity to work and the one's who most struggle with retirement. >>30470 >>30478 kys

Human nature is pretty much fixed biologically. We have the capacity for cooperation, compassion, as well as barbarism and evil. Societies can nurture one side more than the other. A society built around robots doing all meaningful work could be paradise or it could be hell - totally depends on the social structures around it, and how willing people are to fight and work for a good society.

Something else to explore would be how power and wealth are distributed. There are always going to be politicians and CEOs but I think the pool to draw from would be much smaller as most people would never need an education and so might never get one and eventually they might even stop being able to get one even if they wanted to as there would only be a small number of Universities and placements there would be quite valuable. So only people from rich and connected families would ever be in a position to study business or anything else to begin with.

>>30486 Well there might not always be CEOs but you get what I mean.

>>30470 >>30478 Mad germling detected.

>>30483 I should also say that there's a lot going on with this techno-utopia being promised (any day now) that smells off to me, not least that the people advocating it also happen to be people in the industry and they hold a mixture of views about their own specialness, magical thinking around technology and outright incelic views you'd hear from a 15 year old. It makes you wonder what the UBI world they claim is inevitable will look like where a small clique own all the services, land and wealth with insane taxes to pay for it all.

>>30603 There will be reality tv shows of people being excluded from regulated transparent society, who have to fight every day to survive, while people in the post-scarcity part watch their suffering for entertainment.

There are quite a few stories set in post-scarcity and post-work societies, but most authors chose to explore other aspects. Often such societies are used to contrast them against something else. Probably because it's like OP says, everything would just devolve into endless fighting about social order. And that ends either in a boring teenage novel or horrific crimes. Both aren't particularly interesting.

Except for all the negative stuff (kek), it sounds a bit like the Culture in Iain Banks novels. >>30642 >Often such societies are used to contrast them against something else Aforementioned Iain Banks novels would indeed be terribly boring without conflict with less "progressive" civilizations, which is what drives all the action.

i agree with most here, the premise of full automation neither leads to paradise nor hell; could be both. I think a big factor also could be, if said society manages to maintain and improve the automation or if they let it slowly deteriorate, because the knowledge has been neglected.